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Posted - 2005/7/25 ¤U¤È 01:39:25
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Posted - 2005/7/25 ¤U¤È 02:53:08
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To Simon:
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simon
Posted - 2005/7/25 ¤U¤È 04:01:08
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simon
Posted - 2005/7/25 ¤U¤È 04:10:06
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Posted - 2005/7/25 ¤U¤È 04:15:23
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hubert
Posted - 2005/7/25 ¤U¤È 09:40:56
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To Simon,
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simon
Posted - 2005/7/25 ¤U¤È 10:26:23
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simon
Posted - 2005/7/25 ¤U¤È 10:29:05
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michaelwan
Posted - 2005/7/26 ¤W¤È 01:27:41
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hubert
Posted - 2005/7/26 ¤W¤È 09:13:22
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To Simon,
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edward
Posted - 2005/7/26 ¤U¤È 07:00:04
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According to Cardinal Journet's The Meaning of Grace, the parable of the Rich Man and the Poor Lazarus was also mentioned:
What might possibly lead to a misconception on this point is the very moving parable of Dives and Lazarus (Luke xvi. 19), where we see Dives beseeching Abraham to let Lazarus go and warn his brothers to change their way of life. Abraham, however, answers, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. If they do not hear them, neither will they hear if one is raised from the dead.' As you see, the purpose of the parable is to show that we have to hear now, while there is time; afterwards, it will be too late. But it would be a mistake to suppose that, in hell, the damned have the sentiments of charity attributed to the rich man. If one of the damned could say: Lord, allow me to tell others what thy love is so that they may not be damned like me, he would bring charity into hell, and hell would be blown to pieces. (We must always regard the intention of the parable¡Xand the evangelist shows what this intention is¡Xotherwise, its character would be altered, and we might be led astray. Consider the parable of the unjust steward, which scandalizes so many Christians through their misunderstanding of it.)
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edward
Posted - 2005/7/26 ¤U¤È 07:37:02
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Cons
Posted - 2005/7/26 ¤U¤È 08:57:49
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// ¦aº»¥çÄݤѥDªºp¹º¤@³¡¤À¡CÍ¢¥ç¤£¯à§ïÅܦۤvq©wªºp¹º¡A´N¦p¡G¥L¤£¯à±N¤wµo¥Íªº¨Æ±¡¡AÅܦ¨¨S¦³µo¥Í¤@¼Ë¡C // ¤Þ¦Ûedward 7/21/2005 7:16:16 PM
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edward
Posted - 2005/7/26 ¤U¤È 09:34:34
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edward
Posted - 2005/7/26 ¤U¤È 09:37:40
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simon
Posted - 2005/7/26 ¤U¤È 11:15:02
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edward,
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Cons
Posted - 2005/7/27 ¤W¤È 12:12:43
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edward
Posted - 2005/7/27 ¤W¤È 07:49:21
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hubert
Posted - 2005/7/27 ¤W¤È 10:33:08
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Cons
Posted - 2005/7/27 ¤U¤È 03:37:32
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hubert
Posted - 2005/7/27 ¤U¤È 05:13:21
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