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Posted - 2005/9/2 ¤U¤È 04:17:07
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Posted - 2005/9/2 ¤U¤È 10:54:33
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Posted - 2005/9/3 ¤W¤È 09:49:55
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To Edward,
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Posted - 2005/9/3 ¤U¤È 12:32:15
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c) According to the mode by which the Church proposes them, as : Formal Dogmas (dogmata formalia) and Material Dogmas (dogmata materialia). The former are proposed for belief by the Teaching Authority of the Church as truths of Revelation; the latter are not so proposed, for which reason they are not Dogmas in the strict sense.
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Posted - 2005/9/3 ¤U¤È 12:52:12
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Posted - 2005/9/3 ¤U¤È 05:28:30
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"In Matthew's Gospel He speaks clearly of those who will go to eternal punishment (cf. Mt 25:46). Who will these be? The Church has never made any pronouncement in this regard. This is a mystery, truly inscrutable, which embraces the holiness of God and the conscience of man. The silence of the Church is, therefore, the only appropriate position for Christian faith. Even when Jesus says of Judas, the traitor, "it would be better for that man if he had never been born" (MT 26:24), His words do not allude for certain to eternal damnation."
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Posted - 2005/9/3 ¤U¤È 08:52:28
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Posted - 2005/9/3 ¤U¤È 10:42:44
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Posted - 2005/9/4 ¤U¤È 08:53:14
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Posted - 2005/9/4 ¤U¤È 11:13:33
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Posted - 2005/9/4 ¤U¤È 11:42:38
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Posted - 2005/9/5 ¤W¤È 09:53:53
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