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edward
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2001/5/26 上午 11:42:14
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提到聖多瑪斯是否異端，倒有一個很有趣的事實。根據大英百科全書所述：
In January 1274 Thomas Aquinas was personally summoned by Gregory X to the second Council of Lyons, which was an attempt to repair the schism between the Latin and Greek churches. On his way he was stricken by illness; he stopped at the Cistercian abbey of Fossanova, where he died on March 7. In 1277 the masters of Paris, the highest theological jurisdiction in the church, condemned a series of 219 propositions; 12 of these propositions were theses of Thomas. This was the most serious condemnation possible in the Middle Ages; its repercussions were felt in the development of ideas. It produced for several centuries a certain unhealthy spiritualism that resisted the cosmic and anthropological realism of Aquinas.
唔知大家點睇？
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Potato
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2001/5/26 上午 11:52:16
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小弟愚見, 甚麼是異端呢?
曾經是和現在是又很不同.
有些時候, 一些人擔當了先知的角色,
他們的言論往往是超出教會所認同的.
另外就是聖人都有錯喎! 間中踏過了
線是情有可原的.
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Cissie
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2001/5/26 上午 11:58:10
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有道理,有道理;信仰是"活"的。
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歸一
管理人員
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2001/5/26 下午 12:02:40
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另一個不大有趣的譴責：
在公元八九七年一月，教宗Stephen VI召開會議，審判前一任教宗Formosus的罪行。為此，Stephen VI把那位教宗的屍首放在審判席上，最後判他有罪，然後把他向人祝福的兩隻手指斫斷，然後丟到提伯河裡。
不知道這兩位教宗，邊個可以上天堂呢？
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靚仔
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2001/5/26 下午 12:11:12
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I just want to said, in today standard, the master of Paris don't have the jurisdiction to condemn a person as hersey.
On the other hand, is the church at that time right, or the later church realized that she has made a mistake at the past?
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edward
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2001/5/26 下午 12:32:39
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哈哈，我估在討論這些問題之前，首先應該放下所有揣測。一切的猜度，袛能是Hypothesis，要在該事件的來龍去脈搞清楚後，方可有一個較為穩妥的結論。
我們是否應該首先搞清楚：
一：教會所譴責的那二百一十九條命題是甚麼
二：涉及聖多瑪斯的十二條又是甚麼
三：教會隨後的立場有沒有改變
四：其他相關的神學問題
關於歸一兄所言的那個事件，小弟也有聽聞過。在中學時代，曾讀過一本叫The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church的書，似有提及這件事。那本書十分有意義，對我們認識教會歷史，特別是教會最陰深的一面的歷史幾有幫助。有興趣的兄弟姊妹，可於香港大會堂的圖書館找到這本書。
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edward
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2001/5/26 下午 12:36:19
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提起這間大學的神學教授，我想起了聖女貞德的故事。
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Potato
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2001/5/26 下午 12:40:18
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聖女貞德? 我都想聽下喎!
可否分享一下呢? (可以另開一新Topic)
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