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Cecil
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2001/11/12 下午 02:48:10
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這裡是指主保聖人以外的聖像.
新建的教堂為何少見這些聖像?是受新教的影響? 這看來卻沒有必要!到底為什麼?
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靚仔
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2001/11/13 上午 10:47:20
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是否為著美感?
現代主義的建築講求簡約和線條，看看新中銀大廈和舊中銀比較便知一二．
不一定是甚麼新教影響呢，不用甚麼事也上綱上線嘛！
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Cecil
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2001/11/13 下午 04:57:43
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聖像所象徵的是甚麼?
比方,澳門花王堂的主保是聖安多尼,堂內卻還有聖巴相的聖像...等等.總有其理由的吧?
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靚仔
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2001/11/13 下午 05:53:49
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在文武廟見到觀音像又是甚麼理由?民間熱心敬禮是無甚麼必然性的,可能只是「管堂」的廟祝喜歡吧了, 當然如果會有多些香油更好!
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Cecil
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2001/11/14 上午 09:49:25
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好說好說,拜觀音,地藏等的善信,一般都"或多或少"知道他們的對象有啥靈驗之處,更有好些,對恭敬禮拜的經文十分通曉,所以這"喜好",還是有根有據的吧?
對於咱們的聖人聖女,所知的信友不知已剩下多少巴仙?梵二的lumen gentium 如何說呢?
對聖人的看法,咱們是否還是十分out date呢?
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靚仔
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2001/11/14 上午 10:23:14
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施施姐,妳這樣不是已答了自己的提問嗎?
不見得我們的老人家不識唸一些聖人經文，或不知那聖像是誰，只是不流行吧了．
沒有「善信」參拜咯，便廢事放個像出來，妳是否這意思？
你只是不滿意這些廟祝的做法吧！
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Cecil
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2001/11/14 下午 12:22:27
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不是滿意不的問題哩 - 我其實想說的,是不論老人家或小朋友信友,對聖人聖女的認識 - 從前"時興"立像於聖堂,是否表示對這某一名聖人或聖女有所推崇,故立其像;如今少作此舉,是否(一)對聖人不再重視; 或(二)根本已不知這一大群聖人誰打誰了,所以索性不立任何聖像? 如果是(一)的情況, 是否有教理依據,不用推崇聖者? 如果是(二),這代表咱們的信仰培育出了問題嗎?茍如是,則麼是諸聖相通功呢? 說來還有何效用?
個人覺得這是天主教的一大寶藏,棄之可惜罷了.
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靚仔
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2001/11/15 下午 03:56:39
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一)仍尊重聖者, 但是否一定需要立像?新出版的羅馬殉道名冊好像有四千多名聖人的名字,是否要每人一像?無像就是不尊敬,那麼所有教堂都要變身成萬佛寺了!
二)知道誰與誰,和立不立像有何關係?查閱名冊便可知那聖人的底細,那根本不是信仰培育問題,而是邏輯推論問題,妳好像是做律師的,難道這也看不見嗎?
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Cecil
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2001/11/16 上午 10:09:34
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To be seen,is a manifestation. Often, we say that we 'believe'. Well, we believe in our hearts - without manifestations, would this 'belief' be real?
What I don't understand is this - why 'penalise' these statutes by banning them from the new churches - if some architect feel that a saint or a number of saints (like the Chinese martyrs, for example), are reverend in many ways and worthy of reminding the faithful if "how" to lead a sanctified life - then what is wrong, like those Buhddas in temples, if they are inside the churches?
What many seem to have missed out thoday is that those are NOT idols - they are real life examples publicly ENDORSED by the Church. If any one treats them as idols, then it is the problem with the person himself and/or his instructions received.
The problem lies NOT with the saints NOR with the practice of erecting statutes of them inside churches. Hope you'd be able to see this LOGIC - an important one too!
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Cecil
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2001/11/16 上午 10:16:02
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Furthermore, the 'practice' of certain times do reflect directly on the mentality of the laity as a whole - nowadays many faithful do not even know who is who under the scroll of names of the saints.
Well, the sheer number of them is NO deterrence for knowing and laerning about them. There are so many knwoldege on earth, so many languages. The vocabulary of one single language is so huge, why bother to learn about them?
If knowledge about the saints is NOT an important part of religious instructions, well, I am afraid, as I said, we are missing out something very precious in our own faith.
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靚仔
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2001/11/16 上午 11:13:08
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為何突然轉了台?
I can't see your LOGIC, Is it saying that when a parish doesn't put a saint statue inside the church, it will logically mean that the congregation is thinking that the statue as idol, so that they don't put it on their floor? What kind of logic is that? I wish you are not prosecutor, otherwise I wish the criminal suspect luck!
We are Catholics, Not protestants, we NEVER think or SEE the saints as idols. This thing is cystal clear. We still can see statues in the churches or around the churches, just not as much as we used to. Even the new built churches, like St. Benedict, has statues, and even candle tray, for people who want to light candle as an offering or prayer.
I still believed that is due to the "sytle", not "belief".
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靚仔
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2001/11/16 上午 11:16:36
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So, praying the Divine Office is a good way to start, or reading the Martyrology, then you will learn more about the saints day by day.
On the one hand, some laity say faith is very important, so laity need to devote more, learn more about their faith, and tell us that the laity of the protestants brothers and sisters are so devoted and so or so, but on the other hand, they say they are busy, they don't have time to learn, to teach, to help. would it any help?
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Cecil
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2001/11/16 下午 03:11:04
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機件收妥了,轉台啦!
我看,不用說logic 這般高檔次;平實的討論總比較有建樹- 我看到的只是'現象"而不代表什麼投訴?更遑論邏輯推論這些不着邊際的調調兒!
如今有很多新的觀念,如祭台不放花,聖堂不"時興"放聖象,這些全有根據,也不盡是時尚,因為一直以來有不少信友或對或錯的,對聖像等有不同的感想,未必盡合教理的說法:有些人因為對聖像發生過迷信的心理,引起一些矯枉過正的觀念,這情況是存在的;負責教理教授的,又豈能不正視?
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