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edward


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2002/5/1 ¤U¤È 08:49:06

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Augustine


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2002/5/2 ¤U¤È 10:02:33

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I wish to stress that there is NO so-called Utopia achievable on Earth or even in the Church, just because we are still in our bodies and the New World has not come.

We need do our best in our journey in this world,
in our prayers, penance and charitable works,
while not clinging to it, let alone attempting to bulid any earthly "Utopia".


Augustine


Posted -
2002/5/2 ¤U¤È 10:18:25

If a Christian must be labeled Left or Right,
then that means we are just like those politicians, whose political attitudes are up to their own (private) interests and considerations.

"In Christ we are one" does not guarantee all have the same opinion on every matter. It is natural that in any group of human there is the diversity of viewpoints on various issues.

If all communicate with openess OK that's fine.
The Spirit remain with us but if any one person claims the Absolute Truth and refuses to listen then the spirit of arrogance repels the Holy Spirit. However if the Magisterium announce something then we trust it's in accordance with the Spirit, then we don't doubt it.

It is really over-simplification to label an attitude as Right/Left, since often the dichotomy law does not hold. And that can lead to misunderstanding.

steve

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2002/5/2 ¤U¤È 11:58:55

Compared to the Church, politicians are at best kindergarteners.

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Cecil


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2002/5/3 ¤W¤È 10:19:39

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Augustine


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2002/5/3 ¤W¤È 11:52:05

Please open a new column for this miserable matter.

...It finally landed in Hong Kong...­ü!!..what I was/am afraid to think of

Maybe the media in HK has certain ties with those in the US, or someone eventually discover this opportunity to blackmail the Church for compensation, yes, out of the pockets of every one of us.

edward


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2002/5/3 ¤U¤È 04:51:13

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steve

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2003/5/21 ¤U¤È 09:03:55

I almost completely forgot about this interesting discussion.

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