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hubert
Posted - 2006/3/28 ¤U¤È 10:05:05
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Mitrophanes
Posted - 2006/3/29 ¤W¤È 12:32:32
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simon
Posted - 2006/3/29 ¤U¤È 03:18:11
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hubert
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Posted - 2006/3/29 ¤U¤È 03:30:19
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To Simon,
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The Orthodox reject the Roman Catholic "dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary," which was defined as "of the faith" by Pope Pius IX, on the 8th of December 1854 ¡Kthe Church does not accept the idea that the Mother of God was born with the (inherited) guilt of Adam; no one is. She did, however, inherit the mortality which comes to all on account of Adam's Fall.
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hubert
Posted - 2006/3/31 ¤U¤È 03:09:30
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In this perspective, "original sin" is understood not so much as a state of guilt inherited from Adam but as an unnatural condition of human life that ends in death. Mortality is what each man now inherits at his birth and this is what leads him to struggle for existence, to self-affirmation at the expense of others, and ultimately to subjection to the laws of animal life. The "prince of this world" (i.e., Satan), who is also the "murderer from the beginning," has dominion over man. From this vicious circle of death and sin, man is understood to be liberated by the death and Resurrection of Christ, which is actualized in Baptism and the sacramental life in the church.
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hubert
Posted - 2006/5/7 ¤U¤È 04:57:43
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Posted - 2006/5/7 ¤U¤È 08:10:44
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Augustine
Posted - 2006/5/8 ¤W¤È 01:21:27
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Amy, did you attend your theological courses in the Theological Faculty at CUHK? Your tone suggested this.
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hubert
Posted - 2006/5/8 ¤W¤È 10:35:04
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Amy:
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