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Posted - 2001/4/27 ¤U¤È 01:51:47
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Posted - 2001/4/27 ¤U¤È 02:29:12
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Posted - 2001/4/27 ¤U¤È 02:53:49
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Is a Liturgist rubicist?
I agreed all edward said, but I have the same question of Br.One, How?
How to make faithfuls unerstand what is anamnesis and then how anamnesis leads to epiclesis.
by the way, all Liturgy experiencing of the presence of the death and resurrection of Christ, not just holy communion, for me it is still no sense for reciving eucharist on Good Friday.
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Posted - 2001/4/27 ¤U¤È 04:25:20
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Posted - 2001/4/28 ¤W¤È 08:47:38
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I think it is the sense of reality that you are ¡§feeling¡¨ that is the crux of the question. During the Eucharistic Prayer, the whole reality of Christ¡¦s sacrifice comes to us, while at the communion this reality comes to me. However, for those of us who study liturgy (who frequently pay less attention to ¡§learning from liturgy¡¨) there is a tendency to reduce the Eucharistic presence of Christ to a matter of ¡§things¡¨ rather than a personal encounter.
The passion and death of Christ occurs to your very life once you get united with him. Do you have any idea about the prayer "En Ego"?
By the way, the positions of ¡¥anamnesis¡¦ and ¡¥epiclesis¡¦ and therefore the ¡¥which leads to which¡¦ sometimes are quite difficult to discern. Can you share with us your views?
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Posted - 2001/4/28 ¤W¤È 08:55:19
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Posted - 2001/5/3 ¤W¤È 11:45:33
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Posted - 2001/5/4 ¤W¤È 07:33:14
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Posted - 2001/5/4 ¤W¤È 09:14:54
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Posted - 2001/5/4 ¤W¤È 09:45:50
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