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edward
Posted - 2001/5/5 下午 12:09:30
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當教友們覺得彌撒對他而言是沒有意義時,並不就表示這是彌撒的問題。可不可以是教友本身的信德就是存在著危機呢?Lex orandi, lex credendi,我就會說,crisis orandi, crisis credendi。
這就如教友對聖經不感興趣,並不因為是聖經本身沒有漫畫、插圖、或多媒體設備,而是因為意識的不足。意識的不足,源於團體教育、薰陶的不足。
同理,高血壓的病人忽視節制飲食、定時服藥的重要性、不去覆診,很多時並不因為這些措施本身冇用,而是醫生本身不強調、病人亦沒有意識。
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Cecil
Posted - 2002/4/24 上午 11:21:07
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One silly question - should the ordo be 'determined' by popular votes? By votes from non-Catholics, even?
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Cecil
Posted - 2002/4/29 上午 11:58:45
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有些人總覺得梵二革除了'望彌撒'這毛病,但個人小時,一不望彌撒(我是'扒彌撒'的 - 個子小小(當然嘛),又一定要坐前排),二不覺有過這種所謂的'毛病',有的話,亦是梵二之後,在感恩祭中間中'放蚊'而已.
又,個人一直維持口領聖體,除了要領聖血用餅潛.今時今日,竟然有好些信友將聖體領回坐位,甚至家中,又可以跟沒初領聖體的小孩'分享'聖體,真是匪夷所思!
記得當年梵二後未幾,科明智神父何等明察秋毫,教友手領聖體的,不在祭台前放進口中,輔祭馬上上前指示,務必要其將聖體完整'入口'不可離開祭台前!
今日梵二後才進鐸的,可能無此先見的經驗了。
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Augustine
Posted - 2002/4/29 下午 09:30:27
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"有的話,亦是梵二之後,在感恩祭中間中'放蚊'而已."
......何解?
所謂望彌撒的'毛病',...is it lack of understanding?
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Cecil
Posted - 2002/4/30 上午 09:49:59
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'放蚊'者小孩子們謂'打嗑睡';"望彌撒"的所謂毛病是只看主祭在台上念念有詞,但自己卻不參與。
其實個人覺得,不論梵二前或後,要在彌撒中'神遊物外',即使是禮儀改完又改,還是會一樣的。
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Augustine
Posted - 2002/4/30 下午 02:42:11
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Are there any lay people really understand the pre-V2 mass that time?
Latin back then still remained the previlege of the clergy?
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Cecil
Posted - 2002/4/30 下午 03:58:25
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Probably yes. The contents of the masses are nothing mysterious. I remember as a kid receiving instructions for confirmation, the instructors did give quite a detailed account of the different parts of the mass, though no Latin instruction was given (it was a primary school Sunday catechism class).
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Augustine
Posted - 2002/5/1 下午 04:05:49
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Were there any faithful saying the responses in Latin?
even the simple ones as Amen, et cum spiritu tuo......
Were hand-held missals with Chinese or English translation popular back then?
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Cecil
Posted - 2002/5/2 上午 10:00:51
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I was too small to remember whether those missals were popular. However, I do remember that the faithful had to answer certain prayers - it certainly wasn't a one-way traffic.
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Mitrophanes
Posted - 2003/5/20 下午 10:28:06
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按東方教會的規定,主教須至少有兩位司鐸陪同,方可舉祭;而不能唱歌的男性,是被認為沒有司鐸聖召的。
這兩條都說的太理論化了。事實上﹐東正教是允許主教在沒有其他司祭陪同的情形下舉祭的﹐只是不能完全使用“主教禮儀”也不能穿全部的“主教祭衣”而已。(其禮儀大致就和普通司祭舉行的差不多)。
不允許舉行“全程誦念”的感恩祭的確是東正教的規矩﹐但在實際生活中就見到許多“五音不全”的神父阿。規定要唱出的部份確實是不容許以誦念代替﹐但是以會不會唱歌來判別有沒有聖召就太過份了。就今日中國正教會極端缺乏神職人員的現狀來看﹐我寧願有一個五音不全的本堂神父﹐也好過只能請外籍的神父用非母語舉祭。
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