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Posted - 2007/4/17 ¤W¤È 10:06:12
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Veritatem in caritate. §Ú¤ß·Q±Ð¤Í¦b¤½¶}¦a°Q½×·R¼wªº¸t¨Æ®É Sacramentum Caritatis§Ú̯à«O«ù¤Í·Rªººë¯«,²ö¥Î©ú¿Ø,·t«üªº»¡¸Ü»y®ð; ²ö¨Ï¥H¤U^¿Î§I²{:"He had long ceased to be christian before he turned a staunch Catholic."
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Augustine
Posted - 2007/4/17 ¤U¤È 01:11:28
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Canons concerning the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist (September 5, 1551)
Canon 9.If anyone says that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vernacular tongue only; ¡K¡K¡Klet him be anathema.
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Augustine
Posted - 2007/4/17 ¤U¤È 01:37:57
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An argument for the communion in the hand is alleged to be found in a text of St. Cyril of
Jerusalem's fifth Mystagogic Catechesis (21f), which he preached to neophytes in 348 A.D., in which he counsels the faithful to "place your lefthand as the throne of your right one, which is to receive the King [in Holy Communion]" (apudL'Osservatore Romano. English edition of June 14, 1973, p.6). This Father of the Church further counsels great care for any Fragments which might remain on one's hands.
Quoting Edward: "«Ü¦h¥H©¹³Qµø¬°¥j¥N±Ð©v©Î¥j¥N±Ð·|·|ijªº¤åÄm¡A¦b²{®É¬O³QÃÒ©ú©Î³Q½èºÃ¬°¤£¦©ó¤¤¥@¬öªº¡C¨Ò¦p¡G´£Ò¤â»â¸tÅéªÌ©Ò¤Þzªº¸tÀÙ§Q¸Sªº¡mMystagogical Catecheses¡n¡A²{¦b´N¦³¤£¤Ö¾ÇªÌ½èºÃ¨ä¯u½T©Ê¤F¡C"
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THOMA
Posted - 2007/4/17 ¤U¤È 01:43:36
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