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Posted - 2006/11/12 ¤U¤È 09:09:18
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Posted - 2006/11/12 ¤U¤È 10:18:06
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To Simon,
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Benedcit
Posted - 2006/11/13 ¤W¤È 05:32:52
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Healing Mass ¦b»´äµ¥º~»y¦a°Ï¥i¯à¤£¦h¡A¦b¼Ú¬ü§ÚÓ¤H¦Ü¤Ö°Ñ¥[¹L¨â¦¸¥Ñ¯«¤÷¥D«ùªºHealing Mass¡C¦¨¤dªº±Ð¤Í±ÀµÛ¡B±aµÛ¦³¯fªº¿Ë¤Í¨ì±Ð°ó¥h°Ñ¥[¡C°ò·þ±Ð¤¤Ãþ¦ü³oºØServices¡A¤£¥sHealing Mass¡A¦ý¬Oµ}ÃP¥±`ªº¡C§Ú¦Û¤v¨Ã¨S¦³¬Ý¨ì¤°»ò¤j©_ÂÝ´N¬O¤F¡CµM¦Ó¦b°Ñ¥[´X¦¸¸t¯«¦Pë·|¤¤¡A§Ú¬O¨£¨ì¦³¨Ç¤H±o¨ì¤@¨Ç©v±Ð¸gÅç©ÎªÌ¬O¦b¤ß²z¤W(¥i¯à¤]¥]¬A¤ßÆF ¢w ¤£½T©w)±o¨ì¬Û·íµ{«×ªººë¯«²¨¸Ñ¡CI am only telling my experience not personal comment.
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Posted - 2006/11/14 ¤U¤È 12:12:00
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simon
Posted - 2006/11/14 ¤U¤È 12:59:15
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Posted - 2006/11/14 ¤U¤È 04:18:56
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Posted - 2006/11/14 ¤U¤È 10:55:30
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Posted - 2006/11/14 ¤U¤È 11:08:51
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Benedcit
Posted - 2006/11/15 ¤W¤È 01:12:51
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Posted - 2006/11/15 ¤W¤È 11:53:31
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Posted - 2006/11/15 ¤U¤È 10:12:37
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Posted - 2006/11/15 ¤U¤È 10:16:55
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Benedcit
Posted - 2006/11/16 ¤W¤È 03:24:11
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Benedcit
Posted - 2006/11/16 ¤W¤È 03:44:12
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FYI
The coming international conference of Society of Biblical Literature will be held in Washington DC from Nov 18th to 21st.
http://www.sbl-site.org/Congresses/Congresses_AnnualMeeting.aspx
One of the greatest Bible Scripture Exhibit (it can be a life-time event) is also showing in DC (Sackler Gallery of Smithsonian Museum).
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Benedcit
Posted - 2006/11/16 ¤W¤È 10:34:49
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§Ñ¤F´£¡mCodex Alexandrinus¡n©M¨ä¥L§Û¥»ªº¥X³B¡C
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Codices Vaticunus & Sinaiticus are Alexandrian text.
Codices Alexsandrinus & Ephraemi are Byzantine text.
Codices P45 & Washingtonanus are Caesarean text.
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Ref:
Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland, The Text of the New Testament.
Metzger, The Text of the New Testament.
Finegan, Encountering NT Manuscripts.
R. C. Briggs, Interpreting the New Testament Today: An Introduction to Methods and Issues in the Study of the New Testament, (Nashville: Abingdon, 1982).
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simon
Posted - 2006/11/16 ¤U¤È 12:38:33
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simon
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hubert
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