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Posted - 2005/11/12 ¤W¤È 02:39:09
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St. John the Faster's CANON XIX
A boy who has been ruined in front of any man cannot come into holy orders. For although on account of his immature age he did not sin himself, yet his vessel was rent and became useless in connection with sacred services. If, however, he received the ejaculation between his thighs, after being suitably penalized he shall not be barred from preferment to holy orders.
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The present Canon decrees that if perchance anyone when he was a boy seven years old was ruined by any man, although at that time he was not guilty of sin because of the immaturity of his age and knowledge, yet he cannot become a priest, since the vessel of his body was sundered and became useless for services in connection with the priesthood. But if he received the ejaculated semen only in the fork of his thighs, without, that is to say, having the member entering his anus, which is the same as saying if he merely suffered wallowing, he is to be penanced first with the proper canon, and then, if he wishes to be made a priest, he is not barred.29 As to the fact that one can no longer regain his virginity after he has once lost it, that is avouched by Basil the Great in his discourse concerning virginity, and see the last Footnote to the Epistle of St. Athanasios to Ammun.
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Posted - 2005/11/13 ¤W¤È 01:40:21
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Posted - 2005/11/18 ¤U¤È 11:24:59
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Posted - 2005/11/19 ¤U¤È 11:52:03
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Posted - 2005/11/20 ¤W¤È 12:10:44
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