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靚仔
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2001/11/24 上午 10:01:48
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Many years ago when I was studying in college, I wrote an essay about"women priesthood in the Roman Catholic Church", I uphold the tradition of the church. I got an A in this paper, however, when I reconsider the points that I gave, or actuall the point that the church give, I would say it is a very weak arguement.
Sure we can said we don't have the "authority" to do so, therefore we don't have to talk about it.
But will all the people accept this stand?
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Augustine
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2001/11/25 上午 12:23:01
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Yes, where has the men gone.....?
Should we also allow priests to get married,
etc...to attract more to the priesthood?
Has the discipline on priests been too "harsh"?
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Cecil
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2001/11/26 上午 09:55:20
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Dear Agustine, in another thread some time ago in this site this very point has been deliberated on by various participants.
The point of more women than men 'practising Catholic faith' is one worthy of more detailed look: there are much more single women in HK than men; single women turn to God more readily because they are financially independent and has no immediate family to look after; men (especailly in the post-world war II generation) are more used to a 'superior' status in the family, but with a twist to NOT accepting responsiblity but receiving attention from female members like mum and granda instead of (like the earlier generation) bearing responsibility for the family:they are more pampered both by family members and by society as a whole, and have much stronger egos, which has become an active BAR to practising their faith and to religious vocation. On top of all these, the society as a whole is very materialistic - a longer period of 'unsuccessful' career etc. would no doubt witness a change - be it for good or for bad.
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靚仔
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2001/11/26 下午 04:58:42
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Post WWII? That mean Me? I don't think I have a superior status like Cecilia mention, I do have to buy food and cook for my wife!
The other question, The Church never said celibacy is a "must" for priesthood, it is just a "western" displine, not "catholic" discipline, we do have many catholic married priests! That is the fact that many don't want to conceive!
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Cecil
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2001/11/26 下午 06:00:49
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Oh Hnadsome Guy, I am not pointing fingers at any one - it is just a social phenomenon that many have observed, that's all.
Celibacy in some Churches means that those celibate priests may have the right to succeed to the patriarchy, not those married ones (in the Orthodox Church). This however has the same thread of thought as the 'western' or "Roman" Church - certain crucial positions are being reserved for those celibate ones.
So one must look at celibacy requirement along this line - the degree of allowable dedication. I for one would not doubt that single people can devote more time and energy to others IN GENERAL (apart from his/her own immediate family). This is in keeping with what the scriptures say about a person and his family, too.
So thus far I find both the Eastern and Western Church's practice in harmony and not conflicting. If the Roman Church is to relax, I would say that the Eastern model is a feasible one.
I for one would not like a Pope that has sons and daughters crawling around his kness. It just does not fit in.
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靚仔
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2001/11/26 下午 08:21:44
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That's alright, I just want to said that there are no "general phenomana" as Cecilia said, or just a very "small" generation is like that, and Cecilia unfourately belong to that generation.
About the celibacy, will you consider that is "selfish" if you means that one who want to serve the people of God as a priest and bishop have to give up their family life, in order to give you a better service?
I still believe that a married man can be a good pastor and priest, and may be in some field, a better "father", that is true that monastic tradition still have their place within the church, they just play a different role in the "Catholic"(in the original sense) Church.
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steve
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2001/11/26 下午 08:50:09
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Just curious, is there any statistic ( i would imagine not ) which tells us if priests are allowed to get marry, how many would do so???
Are we always having the presumption that all man would want women? Thats natural, isnt it?
But is it? I am not so sure.
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Cecil
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2001/11/27 上午 09:56:28
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Hehe, Steve's question is a good one - how many of them would 'prefer' to get married?
Don't assume that wives are all that easy to handle - just think, what would you do if your own child has serious asthma and one of your 'flock' is at deathbed awaiting the last sacrament - how would you decide? One need not be a pastor tofeel this - if you are a doctor in the emergency unit of public hospitals, I think most probably many would still give priority to his or her own family first. It is not just a matter between life and death - you still have to face the surviving parent, i.e. your spouse. Many marriages broke down in doctors' families over issues like this. So don't be too over confident in these respects: It is very trying, very sensitive, and can leave a lot of pain and lasting hurt feelings to family members if ever happens.
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Cecil
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2001/11/27 上午 10:02:18
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Bro. "Handsome Guy"'s query about the phenomenon - I recently got it from a thread in another very popular website - "ICERED". Under this topic, numerous postings, unanimously agreeing on this observation! Very phenomenal indeed!
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Cecil
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2001/11/27 上午 10:58:30
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For those interested in the topic of celibate vocations, here is a good site:
http://www.visionguide.org/2002
You can also contact the Diocese Vocation Commission or visit their website at
http://dvc.catholic.ord.hk
or contact any of the Serrans of the Hong Kong Serra Club (sorry, no website yet - please check Catholic directory or contact myself).
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靚仔
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2001/11/27 下午 12:17:41
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for those who would consider a married vocation, you could consider a diaconate, you can contact Fr. Dominic Chan, VG at vgoffice@catholic.org.hk
or see the section on http://catholic.org.hk
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Cecil
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2001/11/29 上午 09:43:56
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Yea, let us promulgate vocations (lay and religious).
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